I'm not sure why a man objecting to gay women would be about the fact that they're not shagging men instead, when the exact same homophobe would probably object to gay men too - who obviously are shagging men. Is it not more likely that the objection is the same in each case, i.e. "it's not natural"?
But the abuse of the gay men in public wouldn't be sexual propositions of the "hey girls" variety. They want the gay men to not exist; they want the gay women to not exist unless their in their bed. Male homophobia takes a different form - that of possession rather than straight out rejection - when directed at women.
And you know, it's not just women: but there are differences. A bloke bullying a gay male (usually a boy) by telling them "suck my dick" (which I've seen a lot in the MEEJA and so presume is common enough to be a stereotype) is demonstrating a similar attitude through the threat of sexual violence.
The difference is that wen it's directed as blokes it's meant as a sarcastic insult; the victim is well aware that his propositioner wouldn't touch him, and any actual sexual violence would be contemptuous and power-seeking rather than desire-based. On the other hand, the same bloke sneering at a female couple and asking them if they want him to show them a good time is genuinely attracted to them, and would be willing to suspend his distaste for their interest in each other if it was for his benefit. This is fairly intuitive since the people making these sorts of comments are straight men, and the amount of girls snogging in men's mags and blokey films are indicative that "two girls for ME" is a totally common fantasy. When nipples aren't allowed on the front cover of a men's mag, they have poses which cover them up, like "hand bra". One of the standard terms is "boob bra"; covering her nipples by pressing them against another woman's breasts. It's *standard*.
Conclusion: homophobia when directed against men or women is contemptuous, disgusted and violent. When directed against women by straight men, it also contains an element of desire, to "show them what a real man is", to stop their transgression with his own sexual power. Butch women fall into the same category as gay men as people outside their sexual interest. Alongside distate for female queerness, their is a lust to possess it. If this is proved impossible the normal distate and fear and hatred take over; but the desire is strong enough that inviting g/g action is one of the commonest staples of male fantasy. The homophobia is suspended as long as, and only as long as, the girls are in his possession. Wanting the girls to be in their possession is therefore as hypocritical and damaging as any other kind of homophobia.
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But the abuse of the gay men in public wouldn't be sexual propositions of the "hey girls" variety. They want the gay men to not exist; they want the gay women to not exist unless their in their bed. Male homophobia takes a different form - that of possession rather than straight out rejection - when directed at women.
And you know, it's not just women: but there are differences. A bloke bullying a gay male (usually a boy) by telling them "suck my dick" (which I've seen a lot in the MEEJA and so presume is common enough to be a stereotype) is demonstrating a similar attitude through the threat of sexual violence.
The difference is that wen it's directed as blokes it's meant as a sarcastic insult; the victim is well aware that his propositioner wouldn't touch him, and any actual sexual violence would be contemptuous and power-seeking rather than desire-based. On the other hand, the same bloke sneering at a female couple and asking them if they want him to show them a good time is genuinely attracted to them, and would be willing to suspend his distaste for their interest in each other if it was for his benefit. This is fairly intuitive since the people making these sorts of comments are straight men, and the amount of girls snogging in men's mags and blokey films are indicative that "two girls for ME" is a totally common fantasy. When nipples aren't allowed on the front cover of a men's mag, they have poses which cover them up, like "hand bra". One of the standard terms is "boob bra"; covering her nipples by pressing them against another woman's breasts. It's *standard*.
Conclusion: homophobia when directed against men or women is contemptuous, disgusted and violent. When directed against women by straight men, it also contains an element of desire, to "show them what a real man is", to stop their transgression with his own sexual power. Butch women fall into the same category as gay men as people outside their sexual interest. Alongside distate for female queerness, their is a lust to possess it. If this is proved impossible the normal distate and fear and hatred take over; but the desire is strong enough that inviting g/g action is one of the commonest staples of male fantasy. The homophobia is suspended as long as, and only as long as, the girls are in his possession. Wanting the girls to be in their possession is therefore as hypocritical and damaging as any other kind of homophobia.