really? I suppose I've just seen a very different segment of the market. The sites I mentioned above in my comment to mijra are the kind of thing I mean by "original design". And I like cunning links and things. Also small popups are fun, but only when you click on a link instead of taking you to a new page, rather than automatic popups which I agree are annoying. And why use iframes when you can use divs with position: absolute?