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Theocritus Idyll 18:

The poet describes how he and his mates run through the meadows gathering garlands of flowers in honour of Helen, whom they all fancy. The hang the flowers and wreaths of lotus-vine on a plane-tree as a sort of public ritual to commemorate how much they fancy her, even though she's married already. The poet worships her, and yearns in particular for her breasts, "as a new-born lamb yearns for the teats of the mother-ewe" (Hellenistic lyric poets: Dodgy Similes R Us). He anoints the soil below the tree with oil in some sort of symbolic love act, and then graffitis the bark of the tree in Dorian letters, which read:

(line 48) "WORSHIP ME, I AM THE BUSH OF HELEN."

Oh my god, I want that line tattooed in Greek above my pubic hair so very, very much.

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on 2005-05-28 06:00 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] dreamfracture.livejournal.com
You know that saying "Your body is a temple"? *grins*

on 2005-05-28 06:10 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] steeraway.livejournal.com
Haha, me too ;-)

on 2005-05-28 06:45 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] libellum.livejournal.com
oh yes. the Greek, , just means "a plant", so is very easily translated bush.

actually the symbolism is quite interesting - according to my Middle Liddell means "that which has grown", "a creature", or "descendant, child". In the sexual context which my mind immediately leapt to, how Freudian.

the bushes of Helens

on 2005-05-28 07:09 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] libellum.livejournal.com
including [livejournal.com profile] glitzfrau and [livejournal.com profile] secutatrix, we can have a veritable shrubbery!

on 2005-05-28 07:51 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] dreamfracture.livejournal.com
Hah, your l33t-ninja-stealth-edit hath not escaped my watchful eye!

on 2005-05-28 07:53 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] libellum.livejournal.com
the first version failed to fully express the funny. also lang's translation was terrible.

on 2005-05-28 07:54 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] dreamfracture.livejournal.com
That was FAST. Are you online 24/7 or something?

on 2005-05-28 07:56 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] libellum.livejournal.com
*thinks*

um.

if I said no, would you believe me? I mean, sometimes I sleep.

on 2005-05-28 08:13 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] fiona-kitty.livejournal.com
*giggles* :) That's funny. And cute fluffy lambs!

Re: the bushes of Helens

on 2005-05-28 08:28 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] thene
*gasps* A shrubbery?

on 2005-05-28 08:33 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] vectorious.livejournal.com
"WORSHIP ME, I AM THE BUSH OF HELEN."

Am I the only one who though that this was the thing that made Helen go to war with Iraq?

on 2005-05-28 08:50 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] the-lady-lily.livejournal.com
*mild hysterics*

Huzzah for appalling and strangely naive 19th century translators!

(Shame it was just phuton for the Greek, although I'm quite glad you answered that before I had to ask the question.)

on 2005-05-28 08:54 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] libellum.livejournal.com
actually bush is my translation; A. Lang translates it tree. But it could so mean bush. Totally.

I wish LJ supported SGreek or SuperGreek, damnit.

on 2005-05-28 08:56 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] libellum.livejournal.com
*groans*

Except that surely if we were casting the US/Iraq as the Trojan War, Helen would be some English chick, married to one of Bush's high-ranking White House peeps, who ran off with an Iraqi? So the Bush wouldn't be "of Helen" at all, unless the reason Bush=Agamemnon was so keen to get her back was that he secretly fancied her himself...?

on 2005-05-28 08:58 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] libellum.livejournal.com
cute fluffy lambs having sexual fantasies about their mothers' breasts. I fear you miss the point.

on 2005-05-28 08:58 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] the-lady-lily.livejournal.com
Yes, I support your alternative translation, and I think we should campaign to have it inserted into the next edition of Theocritus. Or even write our own. He's such a dodgy little bugger I'm certain he would approve of the pun, even if it didn't scan in the Greek.

Do tattooists support SGreek or SuperGreek?

And do you have a copy of SuperGreek? The Faculty computers won't let me steal theirs :(

Re: the bushes of Helens

on 2005-05-28 09:00 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] libellum.livejournal.com
One that looks nice. And not too expensive.

on 2005-05-28 09:22 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] yvesilena.livejournal.com
DO IT! DO IT! There are so few people in the world who 1 - are called Helen; 2 - know that quote, let alone know the original Greek; 3 - would have it tattooed above their pubic hair; 4 - would actually look hot with said tattoo. YOU OWE IT TO THE WORLD. :D:D

on 2005-05-28 09:45 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] dreamfracture.livejournal.com
I suspect you even spod in your dreams.

Actually, no, I'm sure you do far more interesting things in your dreams.

on 2005-05-28 09:48 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] dreamfracture.livejournal.com
I suspect our Libellum might be the only one, actually.

So, using the logic that someone has to do it, and it would be wasted on anyone else, I'm also in full support.

Well, not full support, because it's the kind of thing you'll eventually regret.

Re: the bushes of Helens

on 2005-05-28 09:50 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] dreamfracture.livejournal.com
You could even have a split-level thing, with a neat little path between them.

on 2005-05-28 10:54 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] fiona-kitty.livejournal.com
I was actually trying to avoid that point. :)

on 2005-05-28 11:01 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] oakwonder.livejournal.com
Now, normally, I'm so against tattoos. But I have to admit, admiring erudition as I do...

on 2005-05-29 01:27 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] dennyd.livejournal.com
I thought it was "My body is a temple... get on your knees."

Re: the bushes of Helens

on 2005-05-29 08:21 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] steeraway.livejournal.com
You mean - *gulp* - we have a common name?!

*goes off to change name to Clytemnestra*
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